MCNews covers all areas of interest for the motorcycling public including news, reviews and comprehensive racing coverage. Adding to the complication is that many of the calibration numbers need to be changed from circuit to circuit. Right from the introduction of the four-stroke era in the premier class back in 2002, top speeds have been increasing incrementally north of what the two-strokes could muster from their ferocious smaller capacity motors. The Pit Stop: Should Mercedes replace Bottas with Russell for F1 2021. We’ll just need to sprinkle the former with a little science – by putting some numbers through the MCNews.com.au Supercomputer and hopefully, it’ll vomit out some realistic numbers which we’ll plot against an Alpha road bike for some interesting comparison. For example, in the braking portion of Mugello's turn 1, Brembo recorded a case in which braking brought a bike from 355 km/h to 90 km/h in only 5.2 seconds, and in less than 300 m! I had 150 hp worth of angry explosions launching me forward at daft speeds, nothing could wiz past me…nothing! Its looks and short acceleration and powerful dependable engine make the bike in the main a success on this united states of america. As MotoGP™ teams and riders prepare for three weeks of racing, so do Michelin and they start at Motegi for the Motul Grand Prix of Japan. If the Desmo’s frontal area and coefficient drag has been calculated correctly, with long enough gearing and an equally long straight, the Desmo could be good for close to 380 km/h. Besting the previous record of 354.9 km/h set in 2016, also at the Italian circuit. There is even a YouTube video or two showing Dovi Acccelerate from 0 to 300 km/h, and 300-350, and its kindly been timed. To date, road bike electronic assists are more effective on track and while powering from one corner to the next. MotoE, officially the FIM Enel MotoE World Cup, is a class of motorcycle racing that uses only electric motorcycles.The series is sanctioned by the FIM and the inaugural season in 2019 was due to support MotoGP at five of the European circuits. Here’s a true story; A few years back while residing in Italy, I was aboard my stock 2002 Yamaha YZF-R1 and was having a spirited play with a local lad on his 2008 Kawasaki ZX-10R. Loves watching racing and riding his TL1000S or R1. It’s hard to comprehend something being more accelerative than one of those ballistic and evocative smelling machines – but today’s machines are 38 km/h quicker, a figure that is pretty mesmerising. It would not be possible to put “250 hp plus” down in the first 3 or 4 gears effectively without the electronic wizardry that makes it possible. The chassis are designed by different companies but similar in design. To speed up the number crunching, especially if changes are needed at the track itself, manufacturers develop a simplified 'interface tool' which can tweak lots of related numbers at once. The fastest of the 800 cc bikes were said to be making their peak power around 20,000 rpm. With 250 hp plus and no electronics, it would go one of three ways, spin, loop or acceleration killing modulation of the throttle. It’s no surprise that the Desmocedici GP18 takes the lead after 30 km/h and clears off from that point forward. The Italian, who was Vice Director General of Ducati Corse from 2006 to 2010 before accepting his current role, told Crash.net: "The so-called 'chassis control strategies' - traction control, wheelie control - all share the same functioning mode. A recent MotoGP video I watched showed some of the differences between Moto3, Moto2, and MotoGP bikes. The H2R needs around 16.65 seconds to hit 320 km/h from rest while the the Ducati clocks the same 320 km/h in under 11 seconds. Either way we were back to monster power and slowly the speeds of the machines started to creep up once again, and it was Ducati leading that speed charge. While the BMW S1000RR has its own electronics, such as traction and wheelie control and complimented with slightly different mapping for each gear, its systems, while advanced, are several generations behind, and less effective at. Marc Marquez feels Honda's MotoGP bike is no longer "losing on acceleration" after beating the favoured works Ducati bikes to pole position for Sunday's Austrian Grand Prix. "I would say a big part is calculation and small part trial-and-error," Cecchinelli replied. The two plotted lines show a very clear victor. MotoGP 0-200 mph in 10.93! Where the S1000RR completes the quarter mile in just under ten seconds at a terminal velocity of around 250 km/h, the Ducati has increased its velocity advantage by an additional 20 km/h, stretching the advantage to almost 60 km/h as it approaches 310 km/h. MotoGP bike vs Kawsaki H2R. With that in mind, some insider info and a few healthy assumptions and educated guesses. ", In another exchange with the media, Rossi said: "During last year Honda and Ducati put a lot of money and a lot of people to work around the electronics. ... Accélération. It’s exciting that the bikes we can buy now from the dealership are faster than factory WSBK’s from 20 years ago, and nudging at the straight line performance of the two-stroke Grand Prix machines from the same era. You get the feeling you could brake better without it, which is not generally true! What we have today are 250 hp plus bikes that are surprisingly usable given their massive output, and that’s why we are seeing these insane speeds. Le Grand Prix d'Autriche en 10 moments historiques. The data used is as closely based upon the Desmosedici GP18 Mugello gearing as we could accurately gauge. In other words, while the way the ECU works (through calculations, strategies and functions) is the same for all, the thousands of numbers that decide 'if this happens, do that' are programmed into the system by each manufacturer, to suit each bike. Let alone walking away from you like you have an anchor dragging in the dirt. Part 1. The F1 car can make high speed corner due to high downfroce & the tyres have more surface area and hence more grip, and F1 is 2.4litre and motoGp bike is .5litre. VIDEO: Which F1 drivers are most in need of a stronger 2021? Un brevet déposé par Ducati […] The new 800 cc variants lost around 20 km/h of top end speed at some of the fastest tracks compared to their 990 cc predecessors. You can feel that is it too restrictive and you would be better without it, if you are an above-average driver. Dorna had made the engines smaller, but the MotoGP technicians just made them spin harder and eventually make more power. The time of F1 in Barin Grand prix is 1.20.567 and that of MotoGp is 1.50.896 as they race every year. In theory the max G without aero is 1G (due to the laws of friction). "This is common with traction control in road cars. To date, road bike electronic assists are more effective on track and while powering from one corner to the next. There was a particularly nice sweeper that opened up into a long straight, and in a country where they really do not care how fast you ride, it would have been rude not to, so in second gear as it opened up, I nailed it through the box. In practice the gluey stickiness of modern tyres allows more than 1G grip, even with no Aero. If so please comment below. MotoGP 0-200mph. 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Now, these figures may not be an exactly precise representation of a MotoGP bikes acceleration, but the tables will give you a pretty good indication of how fast they bend the space time continuum. There are no actual claimed acceleration numbers for MotoGP bikes, nor has anyone recently tested one at the strip and told the tale. "All the Ducatis are better in acceleration, because they are more in front compared to us in the electronics," the Italian said in February. Remember… thing is, I was not alone, there was a fella on a newerer and shinierer piece of metal and plastic, and he had more power horses than me, probably 30 odd more at the wheels. "When MotoGP moved to the [single ECU] we have some problem. Interestingly and matching Petrucci’s claims that his Pramac Ducati made 280bhp, to achieve the acceleration times in our graph, our virtual Ducati needed 285bhp. MotoGP 20 is here and it's one of the most challenging racing games on the market. Liquid-cooled, 90° V4, four-stroke, evo desmodromic DOHC, four valves per cylinder, Ducati Seamless Transmission (DST_EVO). Today marks the end of the V-Twin superbike era, with Ducati announcing its 2018 Panigale will run a counter-rotating 90-degree V4 engine. Just recently though Danilo Petrucci mentioned that his Pramac Ducati is making 280 hp! Which is: Getting inputs, thinking about the inputs and outputting a torque reduction request. Nonetheless, we know that these machines make enormous power that is only made useful and effective with the incremental advancement of electronics. Intense braking can bring a MotoGP bike from 320 km/h to less than 100 Km/h in about five seconds. It’s no surprise that the Desmocedici GP18 takes the lead after 30 km/h and clears off from that point forward. Motogp trumps f1 at 0 200kph. Suzuki Gixxer SF double disc Edition is one of the most attractive motorcycles in Bangladesh amongst young people. Like F1, MotoGP machinery can accelerate from 0-100 km/h in around 2.6 seconds but it takes the bikes quite a bit longer to reach 300 km/h - … The ZX-10R went past me just as I hooked third, then by the time I was in top he was at least 100 metres or more ahead of me. Since MotoGP winter testing, Valentino Rossi has repeatedly emphasised the need for Yamaha to improve acceleration via the electronics. If you are spinning more than wheelieing, the traction control wins and the [ECU] system delivers the torque reduction.". "It's a game of being on the right side of the limit, but as close as possible.". So we are a bit in delay…, “It's a shame, because the rest of our bike is good. their power is too much for even a world class rider to deftly control a launch without burning through a clutch in the process. It’s a devastating display of straight line acceleration from Ducati’s MotoGP machine. Une course insolite entre une F1, une moto GP et une V8 Supercar Par la rédaction le 20 octobre 2014 à 11:58 À lire plus tard Sauvegardé Suivre #insolite #insolite Suivi De 0 à 100 km/h, ... son équivalent en Moto GP, a eu besoin de 1m24.312s en 2017 sur le même circuit. Equally impressive is that your S1000RR, stock at Mugello, in the right hands would hit an almost real 300 km/h before needing to haul up for San Donato. The slowest bike at Mugello this year hit 339 km/h, that is still some 20 km/h up on the fastest two-strokes!! "That request may of course be '0', if you are under the limit of the bike. Drinks too much coffee, is dying for a smoke, actually is the local crazy cat lady, is a bit dyslexic, and liable to throwing hissy-fits. Honda and Ducati understand something we don't. converting energy into forward motion compared to a fully fledged MotoGP bike. At around 180kph, the electronics take full control in the F1 car, while MotoGP riders can still work the throttle. Our road bikes have gotten crazy fast in recent years, and again its electronics that have made their ‘claimed’ 200 hp usable on the road. Horse Power affects the suspensio… That’s only 20 km/h off the fastest GP500 of the two-stroke era. The 2021 RC213V has a modified fairing to reach the maximum performance balancing acceleration, handling and braking through the management of airflow. High-res images of the gorgeous 2021 KTM RC16 + Video, Android Auto now available on Africa Twin, Suzuki rewards early Hayabusa pre-orders with $1000 in bonuses, Marc Marquez undergoes scans that confirm good progress, Benavides retains Dakar lead in penultimate stage | Daniel Sanders fourth, Flashback Friday | Shawn Giles announced his retirement in 2011, 2020 North Brisbane Cup category winners declared. Originally from London, UK. The final result is quite impressive when we look at the numbers. I was leading and fast in my own head while we were enjoying some nice long smooth sweepers. Despite this, it is not hard to deduce how one would accelerate from zero to flat-out. Will they be powered by engines as we know them, or will they be electric only, or perhaps a hybrid…? And Kevin Cameron explains what it has to do with the Harley-Davidson XR750. The difference is in aero. The BMW S1000RR is arguably the fastest accelerating production litre bike to date but how does it stack up against the fastest MotoGP Bike? For the 2007 season Dorna slowed the bikes down by introducing new regulations that saw engines shrunk from 990 cc to 800 cc. The fastest lap by a MotoGP (Marc Marquez, 2018 MotoGP) is 2′ 03.658. Voici la liste des motos avec la meilleure accélération. The above is an interesting comparison, and while the data I have presented is very likely not 100% accurate, what we can learn from it will provide an accurate enough illustration of the performance of a current MotoGP machine and how a current Alpha road bike such as an S1000RR might compare. MotoGP is significantly faster than the Moto2 and Moto3 classes that have top speeds exceeding 295km/h and 245km/h respectively. So there is only about 850 metres of useful tarmac, give or take, to go from the last corner (Bucine), where GP bikes apex at 100 km/h, before cracking 350 km/h in well under a kilometre. "Everybody is developing their own proprietary interface that goes 'upstream' of the calibration tool. Single stainless steel rear disc with two-piston calliper. Even Kawasaki’s ballistic Supercharged H2R is not a match for the Desmosedici GP18. "All the Ducatis are better in acceleration… Chain final drive, Indirect electronic injection, four throttle bodies with injectors above and below the butterfly valves. Whether that is at the wheel, flywheel or crank or is even a true statement is anybody’s guess. Moto GP teams like Honda and Yamaha usually have a presence in Moto 2. The Honda NSR500 is a road racing motorcycle created by HRC (Honda Racing Corporation) and debuted in 1984 for the Grand Prix motorcycle racing's 500 cc class. Since MotoGP winter testing, Valentino Rossi has repeatedly emphasised the need for Yamaha to improve acceleration via the electronics. ", Contact Crash.Net Privacy Policy Get Crash RSS Newsfeeds About Crash.Net. You will also find the numbers accurately match the evidence from onboard footage. Turning off the electronic assistance is not an option for MotoGP bikes, as. MotoGP Top Speed? Aprilia est le seul des six constructeurs engagés en MotoGP à bénéficier encore des points de concession du règlement, ce qui veut dire qu’il peut tester plus, et avec ses pilotes titulaires. The two plotted lines show a very clear victor. Its 200-300 km/h time of 4.33 is only 1.4 slower than it’s 100-200 km/h time. 'It's a game of being on the right side of the limit, but as close as possible' - MotoGP Director Of Technology Corrado Cecchinelli. In Moto 2 all bikes use Honda 600 engines and Dunlop tires. "So if Yamaha riders feel that the nature of the bike would be to accelerate more than it does, they will keep asking their engineers to properly tune the strategies to unleash the full potential of the bike. It’s even more fascinating to speculate what Ducati’s GP48 will be like, and how fast it might be if we continue on this performance arc. "Let's assume the calibration of the wheelie control is too restrictive - so that it cuts before the bike even wheelies, or cuts when the wheelie is not a problem - then you are not accelerating enough. Mais quelle est la meilleure ? (Even considering that the BMW is less powerful than the MotoGP machine). When hooking gears on any modern litre bike, it’s pretty hard to imagine something overtaking you. The H2R needs around 16.65 seconds to hit 320 km/h from rest while the the Ducati clocks the same 320 km/h in under 11 seconds. The BMW S1000RR hits 300 km/h in around 19 seconds and 1104 meters, the Ducati has already hit its limiter at 368 km/h, and is a whopping 256 metres in front. Il y a un moteur différent, un châssis différent, un bras oscillant différent. I hope that after Barcelona we can try something more important [with the electronics].”. Teams are called differently like the Yamaha having the Tech 3 team on Moto 2.As all the engines in Moto 2 are the same, suspension becomes a break point factor in combination for greater horse power. 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Valentino Rossi says the Yamaha MotoGP bike's acceleration deficit is no longer 'embarrassing', as it was during last year's Aragon Grand Prix. The MCNews web guy and geek. Turning off the electronic assistance is not an option for MotoGP bikes, as their power is too much for even a world class rider to deftly control a launch without burning through a clutch in the process. En compétition, il est crucial de s'extirper le plus vite possible du peloton, sur route ouverte, c'est pour s'amuser au feux. The H2R need 935 metres to hit 320 km/h while the Ducati almost cuts the distance in half, requiring only 560 metres. (Even considering that the BMW is less powerful than the MotoGP machine). Keeps the website ticking over. For some perspective, during the era of 190 horsepower, 130 kg two-strokes, the highest speed achieved at Mugello was recorded by Max Biaggi back in 1999, where he busted through the speed trap at an impressive 318.6 km/h aboard his Marlboro Yamaha YZR500. Despite my enthusiasm, I was clearly holding this local chap up, and he was evidently late for his Arvo sonnellino pomeridiano as he was right up my exhaust. The fastest motorcycle riders in the world gathered in Indianapolis for Sunday's MotoGP race, riding atop bikes estimated to be around $2 million. Evident on the acceleration graph are slight dips for the gear changes as we could not fully simulate a seamless gearbox, so expect gear changes to be a little quicker in real life, and thus saving a little more time in the process. Let’s take a look at a track they both shared, such as COTA (Circuit of the Americas, Austin, Texas) The fastest lap by a F1 car (Lewis Hamilton, 2018 F1 GP) is 1′ 32.237. As the speeds increase so does the distance advantage to the Ducati. In the case of a standing start, you also have launch control. "In the simplest case of straight-line acceleration on dry tarmac, the limit is actually wheelieing. If you junked the road gear, bolted a full system and PC5 you’d be not far off or even match an old school Grand Prix two-stroke in terms of straight line get up and go! It’s the advanced MotoGP electronics that allow for the Desmo GP18 to faultlessly accelerate off the line. With smarter electronics the Kawasaki H2R could get a little closer to Ducat’s MotoGP bike as it could launch more effectively, but in reality the H2R would need an extra 40 horsepower at the wheels and some significant weight loss to even have a chance of matching any MotoGP bike let alone the Ducati. The H2R need 935 metres to hit 320 km/h while the Ducati almost cuts the distance in half, requiring only 560 metres. Given the crucial role of ECU calibration, how do manufacturers come up with the right numbers? During last weekend's struggles at the slippery Spanish MotoGP, Rossi again described the M1's problems as 25% mechanical and 75% electronics. If one of the two finds a reason to reduce the torque, it sends a torque reduction request. The H2R is closest from 200-240 km/h, tailing the MotoGP bike by only 0.2 seconds and taking an impressive 1.70 seconds versus 1.51 seconds for the Ducati MotoGP bike. Maybe 10-20 years from now we’ll be riding road bikes that accelerate like the Desmo GP18. Even by today’s standards the 2008 kawaski ZX-10R is still extremely fast and was, at the time, the fastest accelerating litre class motorcycle until the BMW S1000RR came along and spoiled its party. As speeds at some of the faster tracks, such as Catalunya and Mugello, got north of 330 km/h, Dorna became concerned and recognised that these speeds could present an  unnecessary safety risk in a sport that was already dangerous enough. Impressive. "You cannot calculate everything at home because when you come to a real race track and have some dust on the surface, a specific temperature, a certain type of tyre and so on.". A fire in March 2019 involving recharging batteries destroyed the special facility and the race machines at Circuito de Jerez, Spain. Andrea Dovizioso recently set a new MotoGP maximum speed record at Mugello when he clocked an eye watering 356.5 km/h during the race on the Factory Ducati. Uncensored full-throttle only likely occurs above 250 km/h, and this is why you witness such impressive high speed acceleration for the Desmosedici. Eddie Lawson gave Cagiva its debut victory on a drying track in the 1991 Hungarian Grand Prix.Lawson left Cagiva before he retired from racing, but other stars were drawn to the Italian team: Randy Mamola, Mat Mladin and Doug Chandler also rode the bike at one stage or another in their careers. No Red Bull for Tech3 KTM bikes in 2021 | They still have wings though…. "La RS-GP 2021 m'attend à Jerez et il y a pas mal de mises à jour, donc j'ai hâte de tester la moto. MCNEWS.COM.AU is a specialist on-line resource that provides motorcycle news for motorcyclists. The domination of the MotoGP bike is convincing throughout, though the chasing BMW rider will still have it within sight up until around 200 km/h, where the Desmo is around 50 metres in front, and already accelerating through 240 km/h. The Power these machines make would almost be totally useless if it were not for their amazing electronic packages that make them controllable. Dani Pedrosa actually broke the Ducati top speed stranglehold in the 800 cc era after the diminutive Spaniard clocked 349.3 km/h at Mugello in 2009, setting a new outright speed record at the time. It is these numbers that are referred to by Cecchinelli as calibration. But in a championship where ECU software and hardware is the same for all, how exactly does a manufacturer gain an acceleration edge purely in terms of electronics? Check out what went down in Andorra as Avintia Esponsorama launched their 2021 MotoGP™, Moto3™ and … Even with very advanced electronics it’s still not entirely possible to put all of the Desmo’s power to the ground below 250 km/h, that would require the bike to be stretched and lowered with a wheelie bar. From what I understand, this [electronic] work needs time. "So if you are accelerating in a straight line, traction control and wheelie control operate in parallel. While the BMW S1000RR has its own electronics, such as traction and wheelie control and complimented with slightly different mapping for each gear, its systems, while advanced, are several generations behind, and less effective at, converting energy into forward motion compared to a fully fledged MotoGP bike. L’Aprilia perd du terrain à chaque phase d’accélération, notamment sur le premier et le deuxième rapport ». It’s a sobering fact, that any of the current litre sport bikes straight from the showroom are all faster in a straight line than megabuck factory Superbikes from only 20 years ago. For 2012 we were back to litre MotoGP bikes, whether that be for safety, or MotoGP wanting to relate a little more to the manufacturers production superbikes, in terms of displacement and development hand-me-down purposes. Aleix Espargaro remains convinced the 2020 Aprilia RS-GP is a 'very good' bike, comparable with the Suzuki and KTM at Misano this weekend, but with one big exception; the acceleration of the engine. The Ducati MotoGP bike only needs 465 metres to reach 300 km/h while the S1000RR needs 1104 metres. The Ducati needs only 4.33 seconds to accelerate from 200-300 km/h, while the BMW S1000RR takes a comparatively lethargic 11.99 seconds. Without electronics making power usable MotoGP bikes would likely be faster with a solid 200 hp or so of usable horses. When the difference between acceleration of two machines is literally put into perspective, it’s fascinating and humbling at the same time. It’s the advanced MotoGP electronics that allow for the Desmo GP18 to faultlessly accelerate off the line. Ducati Streetfighter V4 Brings MotoGP Tech to the Road. Maybe Yamaha not enough. It was a clear example of what 5 years of engine development can do. "Normally what all the manufacturers do is they develop a sort of interface tool - in-between their calculations and the calibration tool we give - which is easier for them to use and generate a calibration in the software language," Cecchinelli explained. Honda won ten 500cc World Championships with the NSR500 from 1984 to 2002, with six in a row from 1994 to 1999.With more than 100 wins to its credit, the NSR500 is the most dominant force in modern Grand Prix motorcycle racing. If you're interested in purchasing Milestone's latest motorcycle … The idea was a smaller motor would have less potential to make the kind of power that would propel a motorcycle and rider to the speeds we had seen with the 990 cc machines. Destiné à l’origine au freinage et à être actif, plutôt qu’en phase d’accélération et contrôlé par le pilote, le système de correction de l’assiette de la moto en roulant avait été breveté en 2002 par Claudio Domenicali, à l’époque Responsable de Ducati Corse et actuellement PDG de Ducati Motor Holding. Ducati has pretty much ruled the top speed roost since the Desmosedici joined the ranks of MotoGP some 15 years ago. "The same goes sometimes with ABS in road cars, which is acting way more often than you would expect. On vous propose une sélection où c'est vous qui définissez les critères. For the specific case of improving straight-line acceleration: "The strategies that would normally operate are basically just traction control and wheelie control. At this stage of development with road bike electronic assistance, to launch consistently well, often the traction control and anti wheelie are turned off in the hands of the most skilled riders. KTM MotoGP porn! Motogp bikes 0 60 what is the 0 to 60 time of a moto gp bike motogp 0 60 0 60 motogp motogp acceleration 0 60 motogp 0 6 moto gp 0 to 100 moto gp 0 60 yamaha m1 0 60 motogp bike specs 0 60 motogp bike 0 60. We can work out with some degree of accuracy how fast Dovi’s Desmosedici GP18 can accelerate from zero to silly. Goal achieved right…well no, the 800 cc bikes were faster around the corners than the 990s, so potentially more dangerous, but it didn’t take long for the 800 cc machines to also start matching the top speeds of the 990s that they had superseded…. Ever since the four-strokes replaced the two bangers MotoGP bikes have been rumoured to be making “More Than 250 hp”, it’s an unchanging claimed figure that has been put out numerous times by bike publications fed by MotoGP teams and insiders. At this stage of development with road bike electronic assistance, to launch consistently well, often the traction control and anti wheelie are turned off in the hands of the most skilled riders.